Well This is Us...

Merry Christmas!!

2009-12-17T10:13:00.002-05:00

so it's been awhile again- sorry! but things are good...
jesse's new job is going good- he just had an evaluation which he passed as "exceed" - which will result in a bonus- yah for him!!!

we have new neighbors- well almost- mom and dad have officially bought and started to build at the property in the pictures in the post previous to the one before this one. they are not completely moved out there yet- but they are working very on getting there.

gunner is growing like crazy- i probably say this in every post- but he is more fun all the time. he likes to sing in the car... and at home... i hear him sing this all the time "i'm a country boy, i have a 4 wheel drive, climb into my bed and i'll take you for a ride- in my big green tractor" yeah a combination of a couple of his favorites!!!!

me- hmm my hair is darker- i have a "new" (to me) car- my Christmas tree is up early for the first time in a long time- gunner had fun helping me decorate it this year :) my shopping is not done- i think jesse and i may try to take care of that this weekend- like we have a choice!!!

i guess that's pretty much it for now- have Merry Christmas, Happy New Year- and knowing me a great Valentines Day and St.Patricks Day too!!!!

Pic's by Aunt Katie (Bovee)

2009-08-04T10:41:00.002-04:00

Kate took these at mom and dad's the other day- guess I'm done paying big money for pics- oh yeah I've never really done that anyway- but from here on out it'll be Katie taking our pictures- thanks Kate!!!!

A few pics

2009-07-16T14:22:00.004-04:00

The above pictures are on mom and dad's (hopefully) new property. Gunner is prety tired in a few of these :)

Bovee kids and Gunner- mom was watching them while Andy, Jen, and Sydney where at the hospital in Saginaw.

hopefully these aren't something i've already posted...

have i lost anybody?

2009-07-15T09:21:00.002-04:00

i know- i'm not very good at this- but if you go back to my very first post if think i warned that it could be like this- not to mention getting sucked in by facebook!

so i guess here is a person by person update:

Jesse- started a new job at Dow Corning on July 6th. it's training season for dogs- even though he hasn't gone yet- we went camping the first weekend it come in and he reminded me of it every time we seen a truck full of dogs.

Me- hmm my hair is really blonde (for now anyway)- i've parted with my (fake) nails. i think me dog is going to have to be put down, she's not doing too well.

Gunner- riding his bike without training wheels. spelling his name- it's cute- he says "GU NN ER- Gunner!" mom took him and jaden put-put golfing the other day- gunner's first time- he won with the highest score and jaden with the lowest score :) he has two chickens at G&G Staley's house- Peep and Pop- and he can tell their eggs apart (ones are darker than the other) aunt katie (bovee) took some cute pictures of him- i will get her to email them to me then post them when i can.

that's about it for now- if i come across any random pics that might be fun to look at i'll post those too- just not much time :)

Time to make time

2009-04-15T14:13:00.003-04:00

sorry- sorry- it's been awhile i know!! just been busy. not too much is new with our family- other than our little g-man is 3 now!!!!! i guess the newest thing around us are two new calves (Jaden and Ethan)- yeah can you guess who named them?!?!?! the picture is of (grandpa) bob and gunner watching Jaden the first new one.

oh and the top picture is gunner's "handsome hair" - kind of his latest thing :)

Today would be a good day to be a what...?

2009-03-11T14:13:00.002-04:00

i used to tell jaden 'today would be a good day to be a... duck (or kite- or whatever)' so one day he said to me 'aunt stephy what would today be a good day to be a what?'

so.....

Today (Wednesday) would be a good day to be a... kite.

The last few days and most of the weekend- would be a good day to be a... duck.

North of here a few days ago- would be a good day to be a... snowman!

anyway i think of that anytime we have some kind of weather that is somewhat extreme- and thought i would share it!

my mom is coming home tonight- i'm going with dad and katie to pick her up in motown around 10pm. i'm know she has had a good time visiting G&G Yeager, her friend Debbie in CA, and all of G&G's friends too- BUT i think she is ready to be home (aka- missing the boys mostly).

hmm well... the end...

Spoiled??? Nah!!!!!

2009-03-03T09:33:00.007-05:00

Little Jesse???

He can reach the foot pegs but not the ground.

He was so happy!

The helmet as well as boots, pants, and chest protector come with it.

And so did the training wheels.

he had so much fun- as soon as we got home from picking the bike up (in Bad Axe) he wanted to ride down to grandpa and grandma's to show it off. so we did- jesse and i running next to him all the way- we got down there- NO ONE WAS HOME- we went to the basement to get warmed up then ran back home. on the way down gunner was a little unsure about the throttle (how to work it) but on the way home he had it down! you can control how fast it can go with a screw by the throttle grip- the guy we bought it from had it wide open for his older kids- and we found the screw is missing- so gunner a few times would take right off and jesse had to grab his coat to keep him from getting too far away- and let me tell ya- when you are on foot- that little bike can go a lot faster than you would think it could- so catching him was crucial! this is his birthday present- he doesn't really realize that yet- but i don't think it would do any good to tell him- he wouldn't get it anyway! on the way home from Bad Axe we told him he needed to go to sleep- he was wound! he did finally lay his head back and close his eyes- after a few minutes (just when we thought he was out) he turned his head around to see in the back of the truck so he could see his bike- never said a word- turned back and went to sleep- like he just wanted to make sure it was for real and that it was really back there!

FINALLY

2009-02-25T11:43:00.003-05:00

finally what... ? finally a few things~ one the wedding has happened~ i don't want to say finally it's over because that sounds bad and don't mean it that way~ it went so well and we had so much fun all day~ jamie was a beautiful bride~ not that i had any doubts!!! oh and jim looked good too :) even with all the snow we got on saturday they had a great turn out at both the wedding and the reception~ the entire day played out perfectly! i survived my 6" light up heels! however i did not wear them all night~ in the morning it felt like i had~ and for the next 2 days after as a matter of fact~ but i wouldn't have not wore them. i don't have any pics to post yet~ when i do i get them right up!

and just as exciting to me~ FINALLY~ GUNNER IS USING THE POTTY~!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is only day 2 but he is doing so great with it! everyone says "it will just click one day and then they will do it" ~ well i do (now) believe that ~ however i also believe that a "push" helps too~ so with that said~ thank you to aunt marie for helping push on monday~ i have to believe that was what really did it~ since he "clicked" on tuesday morning :)

well for now that is all...

Not too much to talk about

2009-02-16T13:42:00.003-05:00

it's been a while- but i'm not really sure i have anything new to talk about. ohhhh jesse's going to be 30, i guess that might be something to talk about :) no- no surprise parties- he's threaten to kill me if i did that- just dinner at my moms (tomorrow- on his b-day)- we had dinner at his moms yesterday, our SIL karen's b-day is also on Feb. 17th so yesterday was a shared birthday dinner. i got him a new pair of burly's (Alpha Sports- to be specific) and a belt. he hasn't gotten the belt yet but the boots come in on friday- i ordered them off of shoebuy.com yup- another good deal- $70 for what sells (if you could find them) for closer to $90. well so that's about it- the wedding is this weekend- so maybe next monday i will have more talk about.

Long Weekend

2009-01-29T11:17:00.002-05:00

well this is a long weekend- hurray!! the plan is to play hockey tonight- jesse is doing something with sam tomorrow (i think)- and then maybe to midland with jamie to take care of some wedding stuff. saturday morning is her bridal shower- should be fun. if i remeber to take pictures i will post them- but don't hold your breath!!!! sunday is super bowl "party" at our house- i don't know that it's going to be much of a party- jim and jamie are coming over- that's our party :)

have a great weekend!!

Oh Allison!!

2009-01-28T15:01:00.002-05:00

yes jesse and i have been living a lie- you caught us!!!!!

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

our friends Jim Bailer and Jamie List are getting married Feb. 21st and we are both in the wedding. so starting this weekend things are going to be getting busy (bridal shower).

allison- i think you just want people to put your name on their blog- you know there are better ways to go about it :) :) :)

be watching mine it will be showing up more ;) are you wondering now- well you should be!!

Thanks!

2009-01-27T09:18:00.003-05:00

thanks guys (girls) for letting me know you're out there :)

is anyone else really sick of this weather- the snow was pretty for a while- but now... not so much. i would really like some time away from snow and cold!!! mom is going to AZ the first week and a half of March- maybe i'll hide in her suitcase.

the only bad part about going to warm weather when it's cold at home is that you have to come back some time- and it's still going to be cold- never the less a break from all this would be great- maybe after the wedding is over i can talk jesse into a short vaca- pack gunner in the car and head for something fun.

any suggestions????

Ohhhhh

2009-01-21T09:05:00.001-05:00

Hey look there is someone out there! Thanks mom for looking into us :)

Happy New Year!

2009-01-15T13:08:00.005-05:00

Here are the much talked about "Tractor/Pond" pictures.

-Yes Jesse was on the tractor when it went through

-Yes he is OK

-Yes his mom did scream and call him an idiot before asking if he was OK

-No there is not any real damage to the tractor

-Yes he has been back out on the pond with the tractor

*****Just in case you don't know the story... Jesse was plowing the pond with the blade on the lawn mower (aka tractor- since it's a little heftier than your everyday mower). While by the edge (towards the shallow end) he broke through- too far to just drive out of- but not completely under either. He called his dad to come down and help him- with Jesse setting on the tractor (to steer) they started to pull it out with the truck- this caused the tractor to break through further and tip over! Yes with Jesse still on it- Jesse was pinned in the water- not for very long- but none the less he was wet- and cold- and now a little (more) pissed- this is when his mom yelled at him. I called my dad to come out and help- he brought Katie and Eric. Two jerk straps, a few pulls later and they eventually tipped the tractor upright- but then onto the other side- but then were able to pop it out of its hole. They got it back on its wheels and towed to the garage where it sat for several hours with the salamander (heater) blowing on it (thanks Jim for leaving your heater). *****

This was all happening while I was in the house taking down my fake Christmas tree- I knew he had broken through just a little bit and that Bob was helping him- but not until I heard Marcy scream (from out at the far (west) end of pond) did I know he had tipped in the water. She then come up to the house and told me to go out and help.... ????????? what was I going to do?! No she did not really expect me to do anything except go out for moral support- which I gladly did.

Thank you to Katie for taking these pictures with her phone- I knew if I would have taken them I might find myself at the bottom of that pond- if you know what I mean. But she somehow managed to pull it off without Jesse even noticing- or at least he didn't say anything.

She then sent them to me in a text. While on the way to the store for a little stress relief (chew and such), I of course had to send them on to Jim- who called ask me the story- hung up and called to give Jesse a hard time. When I walked back in the house I just heard a really loud THANKS- who else did you send them to? He really wasn't mad at me- it's just one of those things that you think- how did I... why did I... is it going to be ok...

So that my friends was our exciting New Years Eve event!

More Pics

2009-01-15T12:56:00.002-05:00

Bovee Christmas '08 & Church Christmas Program '08

2008-12-17T15:06:00.008-05:00

Gunner Pics

2008-12-15T15:37:00.002-05:00

do you wanna a piece DO YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME!

Jayna

Gunner & Jayna

Gunner and Autumn

Gunner with Aunt Katie's "Frog Man"

Fun in the Snow... and the MOUSE

2008-12-03T16:07:00.002-05:00

Fun in the snow at Grandma Deb's

And this would be the mouse that was on the dash of my car this morning- nice huh?!?!

Just some pics from over the fall & summer

2008-12-03T10:08:00.004-05:00

Happy Birthday to ME

Ethan at Halloween

Jaden at Halloween

Gunner at Halloween

Fun at the Pumpkin Patch

Katie & Eric, Homecoming '08

Now tell me how does this work- the little one pushing the bigger one?? :)

Jaden helping on the car- or tell his dad he's ready to call it a night- either way it's too cute!

Gunner in Aunt Katie's Hat

I LOVE this one!

well just a few more pics- must be that's all anybody likes anyway...

Could it be?

2008-11-18T13:42:00.004-05:00

Jared's 8pt taken in the afternoon on the 15th

Bob's 10pt taken just shortly after Jared's on the afternoon of the 15th

Gunner with Grandpa Staley's buck

Elliott in his Halloween costume as a Rock Star- rock on El!!!

Shannon and Miles come to visit us at work- so glad to see them!!!

Jaden at his first night of hockey practice (learn to skate is really what it's called)

Gunner "fixing it"

i'm posting twice in weeks time... could it be?...

just thought i would toss out a few pictures. some of hunting this weekend and some from just over the last month or so.

gunner had fun with all the deer hunting this weekend- won't be long and he'll be out there with us! he was even in on gutting grandpa's and uncle jared's deer- which were both done by jesse i might add! he was definately into the gutt'n thing- which i really wasn't really worried that he wouldn't be- but glad to know it really didn't bother him- we told him "daddy's taking its belly out"- which is kinda sick to tell a kid- but how else do you make it make sense? either way all he really cared about was the part where the deer pooped- what that really means is that jesse popped the guts and it was a hugh mess- but i guess it was entertaining to gunner. grandma marcy was a little concerned about him watching but was good with it when he didn't run away crying or anything- i think really she was too sick herself to remove him from it anyway. i would rather he was around it at a young age and can have a grasp on the reality of hunting and what really happens when you "shoot something". then again he's my kid i never expected there to be a problem :)

Since Last Time

2008-11-14T09:11:00.002-05:00

well since the last time we chatted not too much has happened. ethan is getting cuter and cuter and growing everyday- as are jaden and gunner! marie is so brave- i don't think i want anymore kids- the baby thing scares me! she is a good mom and preston is a good dad- love you guys!

the first weekend in november is always our family's shopping trip- my mom's family- you know all the girls. it was a fun time as usual- marie didn't come with us this year since ethan is still so little- we missed her- but don't blame her for not coming along. we have gone up to traverse city for the past few years and on the way up we always stop at the bakery in grayling! last year while up there we stopped and seen hannah at her work (i think for her it is kind of like play since she loves that stuff so much)- this year we got to see her, dustin, and oakley at there new house- it is so cute and cozy! mom was on a "sneak mission" getting pictures from hannah to put on robin's birthday cake (it was a surprise). by the way happy birthday to robin (tomorrow) and happy birthday to doug (yesterday)!!!!!! oh and happy birthday to me (on tuesday :) )

for thanksgiving this year we are headed to the UP to the yeager cabin- but will be staying at the bovee cabin. i love grandma's dressing (stuffing- whatever) i have not yet found anyone that makes it and has it taste as good as hers. we only go up with "my" family every other year- even on our "off" years grandma saves me some stuffing- she has to sneak it because everyone else feels the same way about it- especially uncle jeff!

some of you might know i kind of like shoes- but i don't really like to pay a lot for them- well i have kind of splurged over the last month- but one pair was cheap and the other was not. i bought a pair of boots at Marshall's in midland- they are black suede-just past my knee high- high heel- with a couple buckles- i love them- but needless to say they don't go with just anything so i had to find a dress to go with them- i did but am still hunting for more- that was my not so cheap purchase. i also just ordered (from www.shoebuy.com) a pair of 6" light up heels- i have been looking for a pair of these since at least may and maybe longer- they are great and believe it or not i can actually walk in them- not flawlessly yet- but i don't walk flawlessly in tennis shoes! and just a little plug for the website i bought them from- they don't charge shipping to you or back to them if you need to send them back- as well they don't charge tax. i bought these shoes to wear in jim and jamie's wedding. yeah some of you are thinking "um are they ok with that?" - they loved them- jamie has actually helped me look for light up shoes a couple times. come to think of it it was jamie that talked me into the tall boots too- i think jamie has a shoes "thing" too but fulfills it through me- i think we will have to have a little chat about this- it's starting to cost me!!! :)

maybe next time i will have a big buck story. since tomorrow is opening day of rifle season / firearms season- whatever you want call it but it's not "the first day of deer season" i HATE when people say that. congrats to al on his iowa 8pt i haven't seen it yet but sounds like a dandy!

well til next time.............

Ethan Lee

2008-10-14T09:30:00.002-04:00

so this is our precious Ethan Lee Bovee, born Sunday October 12th at 11:11am, same time as his daddy :) he weighed 8lbs 6oz and was 20" long. jaden is such a proud big brother, and gunner is claiming him as his little brother too- which we all love. marie is doing great and so is preston! they come home yesterday and are doing really well there as well.

Misc Pics from Summer

2008-10-09T11:31:00.005-04:00

this is rufus when around feb when we got him- he's huge now- and still not even a year old!!

Grandpa (Bob) Staley and Gunner on the quad- Gunner's favorite place to be in the summer

He got to be quite the little fish this summer- he liked the water way better this year than last :)

I AM A COWBOY!!!

Higgins Lake camping- we had a lot of fun camping with him this summer- can't wait for next!

Here are some of the pics that I've taken on my phone. They are probably going to show up pretty randomly since I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to putting pictures on. But enjoy!

Up, Up & Away

2008-09-23T11:52:00.007-04:00

Well it's been awhile again- sorry.

A few things that have happened since my last post:

Katie made Homecoming court!!! Congrats Kate! It is her senior year so there is the opportunity to be Queen- but she doesn't much care about that- she's just having fun with all the other excitement that goes with Homecoming- the float- the car...

Which is the other thing we have ALL been working on; dads '64 Corvette- it has been a lot of work- but A LOT of fun too! It has given us an excuse to spend time together. Mom's been making dinner and we eat right out by the car that way the guys don't have to completely stop working if they don't want to.

We have been bear hunting again- kill season is in full swing! We had some really good chase and even a missed shot but it was a fun trip! Gunner and I went up on Sunday and come home Thursday (I had to work Friday). It's a long drive when Gunner is in the back saying "mommy make it your song" which is Kid Rock's 'All Summer Long', and he would say this over and over again- and to keep him happy- I played it over and over again!

Our latest hurrah was flying in Grandpa Yeager's airplane. Gunner, Bob, and I went up- oh yeah and Grandpa- thought it would be a good idea to take him along :) Marcy went too but as you can see she didn't go up, she just directed air traffic- thanks Marcy! Gunner seem to like it, Bob said he was scared, but I think Bob was the one that was a little on edge. Gunner fell asleep as you can see! At first he said he did not want to go up again- but now his tune has changed a little, he thinks he would like to go up "next time".

Oh yes and let's not forget- Gunner is sleeping in HIS bed all night again. Yeah we battled with that for a little while but he's back into the grove again. Now potty training- I need to get some Cheerios. He doesn't really think he wants to use the big potty (or any potty for that matter), he tells me "maybe tomorrow, not today" it is pretty cute. I don't want this to be too much of a fight if he's not really ready then I will be the "trained" one not him- and I have enough to do- I don't need to chase a kid around and make him pee every 5 minutes!!!

Well that's about it I guess- enjoy the airplane pics!

Ohh Scares Me!!

2008-09-02T14:13:00.002-04:00

Well Gunner and I finally made it up or "up, up, up, down, down, down, round-n-round, git gas, and feed the seagulls" as Gunner says. This is how he describes the trip over the bridge, getting off the second exit into St.Ignace after which we always fill up on both gas and lunch (usually). And if you have ever taken the second exit into St.Ignace you will know where the round-n-round comes from. Jesse has been up a few times this year- but Gunner and I have not been with him :)

This trip we did not stop for lunch as we did that as well as get groceries in Gaylord. This time we stopped for gas but continued on. We did not get very far though, we had to make a stop at the Deer Ranch. We left Friday morning with the intention of "taking our time getting there" so I insist we take the time to show Gunner the Deer Ranch. Jesse always says "maybe on the way home" and on the way home he says "well maybe next time". He says that is what his dad always told them about the Deer Ranch and Mystery Spot- I informed him that it was not going to be like that with Gunner- at least not this time :) Yes I took pictures of Gunner at the Deer Ranch- BUT they are on my phone! He did like it- he wasn't really sure about feeding them at first- but did eventually find the fun in it.

Well our trip was not made just to visit the Deer Ranch but more so to bear hunt- chase really! We did do a little of that, didn't really have any good chases though- had a hard time finding tracks. We even had a hard time finding tracks that we seen being made! We seen the bear walk down the side of the road and then cross- he was a ways down- a good 1/2 mile or maybe more so it was hard to tell where exactly he was and the road was not sandy but hard and rocky in most places so finding a track was not easy.

Because we do not have the cabin in Rexton anymore we had to take our trailer (and Rhino) and just find a place in the woods to camp for the weekend. So we stayed on state land near McMillan. It was fun but not the same. Jesse and I took Gunner for a long Rhino ride and while looking for bear tracks we stopped and walked for a little bit and Gunner would say "Here's a bear track", "I found a bear track", every two feet he would move he had "found" a track, so after half a dozen times of that Jesse finally said "you did find one"- Gunner from his crouched down position stood up and said "ohh- scares me!" It was really very cute!!! He also had a good time yelling at Uncle Shane and Aunt Katie's dogs. Oh yes a big thank you to Uncle Shane for extinguishing Gunner! Jesse threw a Coke bottle in the fire and didn't do it's usual hiss and melt- it EXPLODED and sent hot ashes flying everywhere including onto Gunner who thankfully had his back turned to the fire but who was also dressed in fleece from head to toe! Shane was the only to notice he had little "hots" all over his back and was quick to smoother them out! The next day I could see where his hair was singed. Over all we had a pretty good time and found a possible replacement cabin- pray that if it is supposed to happen that it will- seriously!

Well that is it for now- thanks for visiting :)

Told Ya!

2008-08-19T07:13:00.000-04:00

See I said I wouldn't be very good at this!

Ok so we went camping again this weekend- Higgins Lake again. It was just as nice and Jesse didn't make any waves with any neighboring campers. Gunner had a good time- always wanting to go for a bike ride. Which means he rides and Jesse and I walk. We went for ice cream both days- good thing we don't live there!

Steven come up and seen us on Saturday and hung out for the evening. And on Sunday evening Denny and Sally come over to say HI (Jesse & I work with Denny out of Grand Rapids).

Our camping weekends are coming to an end. We have a wedding this coming wedding (Jesse's cousin Lindsay) in Manistee, holiday the next weekend, and Casey's wedding the following. Not to mention training season has been upon us for the last month now; and kill season is less than a month away! Bear season won't be the same this year- not having the cabin has really sucked!! But nothing we can do about it now- crazy people sure can make a mess in a hurry!

Well that's it for now, talk to you all soon!

Pictures As Promised

2008-08-07T12:55:00.000-04:00

This was taken around Spring this year. Has on Daddy's John Deere hat, like grandpa (Bob Staley) wears his!

This was this winter, January, in the basement after everyone come in from playing hockey!

Aunt Katie (Bovee) took this early this Summer while Grandma Deb was babysitting.

Well Shannon this is for YOU!

2008-08-07T07:00:00.000-04:00

So Shannon has been after me to start a blog- so here I am giving in! No promises on how well I will keep it up- Oh sure it will go good for the first week- or maybe month- but after that we will have to see! Not to state the obvious but I am pretty new to this so hang with me as I learn to be a "blogger". I'm not really sure that we really do anything to talk about that's why I am not sure how well I will do at this! I will see about getting some picture up- even though I don't really know how yet :) Most of my newest pics are on my phone- which I can't get off. So for now you will have to be happy with some older ones.

What we have done lately: Last weekend we went to Higgins Lake camping (South side, West park). We arrived on Saturday afternoon to wait in line, which resulted in Jesse pissing some lady off- he just walked past her truck to see what the line up was all about and to stretch his legs- didn't really think it was that big of a deal- apparently she thought he was cutting in line- which consist of exchange of words that went along the lines of "get off my back I'm just walking" really there was more but you get it. We get through the line, find our spot and who pulls up and lands just two spots away? Yes the pissy lady and her grouchy husband! Not a big deal our trailer "back" is to them- BUT they have a 6yr old boy (Cruz) who no more than gets his bike under him and has planted himself at our camp- nice kid but a little awkward to say the least. We ignored those neighbors as much as possible and the rest of our trip was wonderful. We stayed for only 2 nights but would love to go back. The beach was wonderful- perfect for Gunner since it is so shallow for a very long ways out. Bob & Marcy as well as my mom & dad come up for dinner on Sunday night, Gunner loves having all that attention- who wouldn't!

The rest of this week has been pretty normal- just working. Katie and I did take Gunner to the Isabella County fair last night. Marcy had watched him yesterday while I was at work and when I picked him up she said something about getting an elephant ear. While at the fair we had seen the sheep and cows and I ask Gunner if he wanted to see the horses- he said "see the elephants first!" We didn't find any elephants but did find elephant ears. It rained just before we left and we all got drenched- but Gunner had a good time- we met Marie, Jaden and Kelly (Marie's dad) there. Jaden milked a cow and then it was off to the rides, Grandpa Kelly bought ride tickets so they got to have lots of fun!

Well hopes this was good enough for now- we'll see what happens from here!